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20250516-Christ Means What？ - Part 1
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Let's blow this place and go home.
Rain. Darkest dreams come true. Kisses for you. Her arrows dark in the sky. Fly of ravens flying through. Over hop dark lord melody shining through. Death inducer raining blood bite your lip. Bellisma in the vampire dress cracking leather whips rain with your magic. Hail Satan, spells of Lucifer. Hail Satan, captain of the wheel. Hail Satan, the lake of fire is clear. Sing the muse. Rain magic
Death. Darkest dreams come true. This is for you. Gohead soup. It's magic. You can have a ball giant. Devil in a tight dress. Whiplash. Two androids dream of electric sheep. Mr. Sam man with a hot purple anointing cream. It knocks them out. The drugs weigh a ton. Snow blind. Do your makeup. Girl, be my private dancer. Hate says I'm her main squeeze. Lucifer the lightbearer. Murder of Venus.
Welcome back to Lady Babylon. This is Renaissance Portal and this is a special day. This is a special special day as you can see from our setup here. Not going to be talking to you with the microphone today that I hold up. Going to be talking to you with this setup in the Falcon. So, let Chewy know if there's any difficulties or problems.
Boy, what are you in for today? What are you in for today, people? We have witnessed something absolutely gorgeous. We have seen for the first time. We have seen the penetration and the destruction of the lies. We have seen the beginning of the end of the tyranny of lies. We
Saw through Iron Danny Jones. We saw a great biblical scholar fall and Danny did it. Danny did it. Now, how did this happen? How did this all come to be? Right now on other channels, people are talking about
This interview live and they're saying, "My god, man, what is the outcome?" And it's being played a very specific way in certain places depending God, what happened, people? Danny Jones happened. I told you he was iron. With an assist from Steve. With an assist from Steve. Steve threw him his
Lightsaber. He threw him his lightsaber. You see Danny Danny was like, "Look, Ammon, what if you just get all the references? Can you get me those references to Christ and Christing?" I said, "Sure. Sure.
Right. Hadn't thought of it. I had not thought of it. Why not just just bring them all out? Bring out all that voice of the news and let her conquer the lies. And that's what we did. Make no mistake, satanic congregation.
Professor, University, North Carolina, Chapel Hill, Bible Studies, Crossappointed Classics. Make no mistake, you watched him fall. Translation took him down. It was not anything done by me. It was the muse. Danny merely gave her
Voice. And she set it up so beautifully, too. She set it up so gorgeously. The man would boast. The man would boast. When he entered in, the man would boast. Tell me how much is the bravvel charging these days? It's expensive. This was the top of the top. You remember people? You remember what happened? We dealt with the lower rungs
Within this bravalry of gorgeous. So gorgeous. And yesterday you watched the very high price. You watched their most valuable. They pulled out the big card, right? They just pulled it out. There it was. What did they have? Right. You watched yesterday on Danny Jones, Iron Danny Jones. You
Watched history. You watch the top Bible scholar if not the top within the top well very low n you know very slight number right top 10 at least right I don't know these things aren't really ranked but if you judge from the amount that Bart was able to bring in yes you watch the man fall. You saw it in his eyes as Danny pulled out that lightsaber. And the next thing Bart knew, he was in two pieces. What is a professor of North Carolina Chapel Hill?
What is he supposed to do when everything he has taught has been shown to be wrong? What can you do? What
Is a Christ? One simple question, people. One voice of one muse. Oh god. Oh god. The exaltation, the powers that rule the air. Oh god, I can feel it. Oh, it's gorgeous. Gorgeousness and gorgeiosity
All together. Here's the moment, people. Here's the moment. I want to take you there because I want this to be preserved historically. I want it to be preserved historically. I'm sorry I got so excited. I want there to be a record of this right in the future. This record will be a celebrated piece of history and culture, reality,
Poetry and religion and humanity. This is the moment of the muse. Should we go ahead and bring up that moment, please? And I want everybody I'm starting here right at the beginning because I want everybody to see at least this much. I'll do it. People have been saying, "Hey, you've got to talk about everything. You've got to talk about everything." Oh, God. I'm going to I'm going to But this is for the people who want that moment. God, are you ready? Right. And this is what they run from. This is what
All Bible scholars run from. Remember, as I'm about to play this, I want you to understand that Danny Jones tried to contact the head of Dallas Theological Greek program, right? Just to be able to sit down and say, um, what's a Christ? And he wouldn't come. And the reason that Daryl Bach wouldn't Come is because he knew what Bartman
Didn't. Right? Do you see why the Ronin is so superior as a fighter? I'm not bound to any of your institutions. I'm bound only to the muse. This is gorgeous. Let's see that moment. Let's see that moment, Chewy. This is a moment in history. Bring up the Bring up the recording. And people, what are they looking at? They're looking at which is the what? It's the word of God. It's the Christ. And if you will look in the definition, which is what they are doing, you'll see the sources
Right there. Now, Bartman is about to discover what a Christ is. And I want you to see, I'm very carefully going to talk to you about this translation because he mistransates it. Even, you know, I appreciate the fact that it's on the spot, but he mistransates it. Okay. After having boasted he was just reading Uripides. Look at how the muse puts that tiny bit of irony just boom just to highlight
Silhouette the hubris. Right. What platform did he bring? He brought University of North Carolina is what he brought. And he brought what? Oh, it's got to be closer. Sorry. There we go. We'll work out these details. How's that people? How's that? Can people hear me? Some say ho ho. Oh god. All right, people. Let's try that. Let's try that. Okay,
Chewy. Messiah. Um, if you go Oh, wow. Look at that. Uides is right there. So, click on Uripides. Uripides. Oh, there's Christos. Uh whether ah oh no that's a case Fedra. Yeah, there it is. Fedra. Yeah. Where it says uh whether uh it is the uh the anointment or the uh Yeah. or the uh drug drink. Drug drink. Yeah. Whether an ointment or drug drink. In other words, the the uh the poisonous drink or the anointment. So is it used as a drug term here? No. Can we
Give it credit for being here? No. cuz it's it says the I'd have to pause it and fantastic. Did you hear Danny drive it home? He gave one more swipe with the lightsaber. Right. Right. And kudos first of all to Steve for throwing him this. Right. Steve was sitting there with it. Right. Oh, and you know he loved it, right? It you know it was coming. It was like job of the hut, man. What happened, David? That's just
It. Had it all set up, right? And that's it. Princess strangled him, right? Fantastic. So, look what Steve is doing. He's waiting in the wings. I want you to recognize he throws this to Danny, puts up the text, and not only does Danny give it to him, watches that moment of understanding, but then when Bart tries to collapse back, Danny gives it to him. Just drives the saber home. Wasn't that gorgeous? So, is this a drug term or not? No, wait. You just said though in the translation, right,
Which he mistransated. Now, I want people if if there was any way to bring this up. Um, there's no way to No, it's okay. Go um go ahead and just keep them up there. We'll hit them cue them again in a second. What I want you people to see about that specific
Line is that in the definition from the LSJ
Alice we have those references where the Christ is used, how is this term used and where is it coming from? Right?
Sorry. The Christ has those references in it. So you can look up. It's sitting right there. And that's what Steve and Danny did. They brought up that text and saw, oh look, there it is. Right. So boom, we have the Uripides and the Uripides
Passage is talking about a drug that's going to be used to overcome a kid to engage in sexual activity with him. Okay, that's apparently Bart hasn't read this one. Right. Right. The sentence itself is structured so beautifully in the Greek. Um, you need to see you actually need to see it. Shy, we need to pull this up people. I know that. Um, go to LSJ Lexicon Perseus,
Please. Yeah. No. Lexicon Perseus
Tops. Perfect. Now type in uh in English it's X R I S T O S. Good. Fantastic. Now click on it. Now share this with people. Right now people look at this. We're going to do this the right way. This is where they are. Just so you can see what's going on so everybody is clear on what's going on. So that when Bart denies that this is what's happening, he's had to first admit it's what happening and then he has to say, "No, that's not what's
Happening." Right. Blow. Uh, go ahead and hit it here, Chewy. Good. No, go back. Hit it here. Boom. And go there now. Boom. Now blow this up, people. Here it is. Blow it up real big, Joey. So everybody can see. Everybody can see. Look at the references in blue, people. What happened? Maybe picked the wrong one. Chewy's getting used to it. Look at that. For once, you're getting used to the tech. That's fantastic. Boom. People, look at this. I'm going to do this without even being able to see
It. Right. Look at the passages. Look at the passages that it's in. See that? A. That's Escilis. Escilis. What? Prometheus bound, right? What's the next one? E Uripides hip. Hi P. Hippolitus. That's the play about Fedra, right? Fantastic. And then it gives theocritus. And another one down here, the LXX. That's the Septuagent. Oh, surprise,
Surprise, surprise. Fantastic. People, are you ready? Click on Hippolitus. Please click on Hippolitus. All right. Yeah, click on Hippolitus. Now go over here to the Greek. Do they have the Greek? Oh, those knuckleheads. Where's the Greek? Oh, people. Now go up here. Go up here to the top right. And in this box, put um
Uripides. Eur. Good. And now go down to the Hippolitus. Boom. And click on Hippolitus Greek. Good. Now go to that line. Oh god. Did anybody happen to see what line that was? Satanic congregation. Throw me a throw me a bone here. Go back and see what line it was. Go back and see what line. There you go. 100 around 510. Look people. Now how much? While Chewy's getting this line, how much dogma or doctrine? How much dogma or doctrine have I been giving to you? None. Look what we're doing. We're
Working with text, people, with the language. We're not working with ideas and theories. Good. That's perfect. Ideas and theories. There's no there's no belief system here. There's no esquetology or ex
Jesus. Do you understand? I'm not trying to tell you interpret [\\h__\\h] for you. I have no I don't I I people honestly sat down congregation, you know this already. I could give a rat's
Backside about what you think. And you should be the same about me, right? You're not here for my opinions. Life is too short for a bunch of stupid opinions. We need something substantial and reasoned. We need something that we can trust in. We need nature people. Look at these lines. Look at this. Look at this. Right. This is Fedra at the top. She
Says, "Right, what kind of drug is this? Which of these two types of drugs is this drug? Is it a Christ or is it a potable? You absolutely cannot
Deny that the Christ is a drug.
This is why the head of Dallas Theological's Greek program would not
Come. All right. People are used to this, right? My apologies, but it's what happens when you live in a dead zone. You know what I mean? So um at this moment Danny is realizing the sharpness of this sword and how deep it can cut. People I want you to remember I am not even there. I am not even there right now that line if it's at all possible chewy to bring that back. I want you to keep looking at this line because this line was mistransated by faculty of classics at North
Carolina Chapel Hill. If this is the best you've got classics, I'm ashamed because I know every one of you who's actually classically trained. I know that you can read this. People look at the line. People look at the line right that's which of the two and what you need to see is that there is a contrast here. Second of first of all that second word so to speak D is telling you the relationship of this sentence to what has come before it. Right? Watch this architecture. The first and the last
Word go together. Yeah. Now, what typically you learn in ancient Greek is to not put the sentence together until you've gotten through the whole thing. You realize that's what happens, right? And sometimes it's better to begin at the ending. Don't worry, it's the superiority of ancient Greek, right? Look at this one line. How s sophisticated this is, right? Um so
That first word and last word are going together. The drug and the con the interrogative of which of the two of these things right which of the two is this pharmarmacon and potra is great because you can have that thing in the plural or the singular. It's performing the same function in the accusative right so in the uh neuter excuse me. So it's a gorge. Now look in the middle. You have the stone, right? Got the stone and the poton with an e between them. What
You're contrasting in this sentence is those two things. Right. Right. So the language is telling you, hey, we're trying to make a contrast here between two things. Right. and it's connected to what's preceded it as an explanation following. And what we're going to have is then boom, which one is it? What kind of drug is it? Is it a Christ or is it a potable? This line is defining a Christ as a drug. Now Danny knows it. He
Knows that's what it's doing, right? He knows the capacity of his weapon and he just picked it up and used it. Iron Danny Jones
Iron. Okay, hopefully we're back. You have to look Uripides in the face and you have to say no. No. Well, the problem is not just Uripides. Danny has a whole bunch of weapons sitting right there. He's got them in Sophocles. He's got them in Escilis. He's got them in documents perfectly contemporary with Jesus. Did you know that? Check out Dascortis, right? How many of these do we have? Well, thanks to Iron Danny Jones who first told me, who first told me, he was like, "Hey, assemble all the sources." I was like, "Dude, I've been doing this a long
Time. I should have I should have thought of that, Danny." You know what I mean? Here's the cool thing about it. You don't just pull up Christ, you pull up all the compounds. The Antichrist, the epichrist, the in Christ, the look, there's so many of them, right? By the time you assemble all the Christs, you have a beautiful picture in the first century of exactly what a Christ
Is. And it is not a mess. It is a pharmarmacicon. Now people, satanic congregation, it's time for you. It's time for you to contribute. I've never taken a dime from you. Right. Isn't it funny that at the beginning of this Bart assumed that this was for book sales or something? Nope. Right. Right. And then he assumed if it wasn't because then he says said it wasn't. He assumed it was for views. Nope. Cuz I don't get paid for these views. I am not monetized. I do not have to be. Do you
Understand? I must maintain my integrity. What you are watching is the brothel of myth vision dancing with the devil. And it turns out the most expensive of their ladies of the evening was incapable of even knowing what a Christ is.
The bravel is all around you. Do you understand? Your greed has stained your soul with a stench of ruin. If you want the real, it's out there. It's out there. Yeah, Chewy. What I want to do is I want to start I want to just now That was my big presentation. Make me big just for a second. That was my big presentation. Okay. How long was that? Should we give me a time? 30 minutes minus a couple of minutes for bouncing too close to supernovi. Right.
Fantastic. Recognize what has happened. Recognize what Danny Jones has done and why it is that there is no Bible scholar, there is no monest who can stand before the muse.
Now, this is the extended version. For those of you who want to go about your work days, go ahead. But for those of you who want, and I've seen a lot of people, and one of the things you have to do while you're while you're um watching Danny's video, is watch the comments. It's very important. There's two types of commenters. There's those who comment before and they watch it and those who comment while or after they watch it. And it's hilarious. The early comment, right, is the Oh god, Bartman
Is the world's authority. Bartman is the cat's meow. Bartman, Bartman will do it. If anybody can do away with almond bard man can right early once they watch they see oh my god this dude who says hail Satan all the time. This dude
Just sent an arrow through Iron Danny
Jones. And that arrow penetrated the heart of monism. It doesn't matter that Bart's not a man of faith. They have no defense.
We possess the texts. Oh, it's beautiful. People, why do you think? Why do you think? Let me just let me take an aside just for one comment. And should we pull up anything that's related to this that people want to talk about, but I'm going to get to the video.
Somebody told me in Ukraine the Soviets when they controlled the place stifled classics. Why would you stifle classics? The tyranthating
Philosophy. Why would you do that? Put it together, people. Right. put it together. Control via monism is the same whether it's through atonism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, it doesn't matter. Monism has one mechanism of control and that is the fabrication of your reality. Once you see through that fabrication, the game's
Over, right? The control is gone.
Danny Jones just let everybody out. Yeah. Honor to you, Danny Jones. Honor to Steve, too. Okay, let's hit it, Chewy. I want I want to play this thing for the people who are like, I want you to comment on everything. Right. Okay. I'm going to give you a little bit here. We'll do part one today. Right. And if people want more, you can tell me you want more. But let's go ahead just play some and let's comment.
And sure, you've got to mute me. You've got to mute me when you play them. Oh, unless the pharmarmac I don't know. I'd have to seminary in New Testament studies.
What's up, Dr. Arman? Thanks for coming, man. Okay. Thanks for having me. Pleasure to meet you. Nice meeting you. What's your background? my background. How long do you have? At least three hours. Yeah. Okay. Well, uh, right. So, I'm a, you know, I'm a scholar of the New Testament, early Christianity. Um, I, uh, I have a PhD from Princeton Theological Seminary in New Testament studies. My background uh I got into biblical studies because uh I was a Christian as a teenager, a born again evangelical Christian and I went
Off to a fundamentalist Bible college after high school and then went off to an evangelical liberal arts college and uh I got really interested in studying Greek uh the ancient lang Greek is an ancient language and um decided to do graduate work uh analyzing Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. And so I went to Princeton Theological Seminary where the world's expert in the analysis of Greek manuscripts uh worked and I spent uh years there working on that and did a master's degree and a PhD. Um end
Up teaching at Rutgers University for a few years and I've been at North Carolina Chapel Hill now for well since 1988. Oh wow. Teaching. Now let it keep me small. No, go ahead and keep me small. That's fine. Let it be known that Bartman's background and Alman Hillman's background are very similar because I too came out of the Baptist church working in missions teaching Sunday school wanting to learn great for one reason to read the Bible of course right in that way Bart and I are
Exactly the same right the difference is Bart's path was guided through theology at seminary where his degrees are from my path was guided through classics straight up. Right? UC Berkeley, University of Arizona, University of Wisconsin,
Madison. Okay. All right. You see the divergence All right. Fantastic. Go.
Uh both undergraduate students and and PhD students in early Christianity, New Testament, those kinds of things. And you mentioned that when you were younger, you had a a belief and you were you were a practicing Christian. That's right. And what happened to you as you what was your evolution through your belief in Christianity? Well, when I I was raised in the church. I was raised in the Episcopal church. Um but then when I was uh a teenager, late teenager, I mid- teenager, I I had a born again
Experience and became a very conservative evangelical and uh a lot of my faith at that point was built on the idea that the Bible has no mistakes in it, completely inherent. Um that was the view taught at the Moody Bible Institute I went to uh and also at Wheaten College where I did my under finished my undergraduate degree. That view started shifting when I went into graduate school.
Yeah, exactly. Ditto, right? Ditto, except Baptist evangelical, right?
As I started, I learned Hebrew and so I was reading the New Testament in Greek and the Old Testament in Hebrew and I learned French and German so I could read what modern scholars were saying in these countries and uh learned other ancient languages. And the more I studied, the more I realized in fact the Bible does have mistakes in it. uh their contradictions, their discrepancies, their geographical errors, their their problems with the Bible. For a number of years, I became a more of a kind of um
Mainline Protestant type um uh who uh had a fairly liberal view of the Bible, a pretty liberal view of social issues and politics and things, but I still identified with the church. I ended up leaving Christianity maybe about 30 years ago or so. uh and it wasn't directly related to my scholarship. It was uh trying to wrestle with the problem of why there's suffering in the world. Uh why why there's so much pain and misery if there's a god who's in control. And so I had spent, you know, I
Okay. Okay. Right. Fantastic. So I want you to notice the things that he's talking about like with the French and the German, right? Classicists have to do the same thing because you have to be able to digest articles in classics that are in French and German. Why? Because you know it's different types. The Germans were dominating in the early 1900s. Classical philology was all German dominated. So there's a lot of good German articles, right? Oh god, the ANRW and everything. Oh god, these lengthy German publications that just
Make you, you know, it very complete, right? You know, when you're done with that exam, they they went somewhere. You know what I mean? So, all of this he's describing is the is an academic pathway. But again, I want you to notice he is within theology, within seminary. Princeton Theological
Seminary, right? Princeton. Remember what happened to Princeton's classics department, right? They shot themselves in the foot. They didn't want to teach Greek anymore because it was too hard. So, they're just going to let their students read everything in English. You know what? Those numbum nuts will be worth zero. Right. Go
Ahead. I I actually taught on it. I've written a book on it. I I read a lot of philosophers and theologians and biblical scholars and what regular old people say about why they're suffering and I just got to a point where I didn't believe it anymore that there there's actually some kind of divine being who's in charge of the world. Um what is the in your view the difference between biblical scholars and classical scholars? Um they're very closely related and it depends which kind of biblical scholar you're talking to. Mhm.
Most biblical scholars work in a theological context in divinity schools, in seminaries, and they would be uh they would be more closely related to theologians than they'd be related to classicists. um my training was mainly in that kind of world uh where I the theological world because my my uh even my master's degree and my PhD were at Princeton Theological Seminary which trains Presbyterian ministers but they were also very interested in serious scholarship and so it kind of was more uh kind of crossing the lines. my my
Professor, my main professor, Bruce Mezer, uh was actually his graduate degrees were in uh classics and uh so I had a bit of that. But once I started teaching uh I really shifted more uh kind of away from anything having to do theology and and you know interpreting the Bible for the church kind of thing and far more into kind of the classics. And so I have a secondary appointment at UNCC Chapel Hill in the classics. So, um, there's one
Thing, it's one thing to be a Marine, it's another thing to know a Marine. Do you understand? This is training. And what you saw in Danny Jones was the benefit of my training. Do you understand that? I was able to hand that weapon to him and Danny was able to use it and beautifully iron beautifully. By the way, satanic congregation, let Danny know how sexy he is. Please give me the next go ahead department. And um those are the people I really resonate with are the classicists.
And in your opinion, what which one of the ancient languages is the best ancient language? The best? Yeah. For what? For anything. Brownie recipes. Well, yeah. So, okay. Um, I want you to notice the tone. There is an within classics, there is a an understanding of the sacred nature of Greek, the sacred nature, if not just the sacred nature of philology in general.
Well, they're very different for each. Can you explain like the different What's the difference between like ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek? Well, they're unrelated. And so Greek is an Indo-Uropean language like English. Um, and uh, and so the grammar of uh, Greek can be taught if somebody knows English grammar, which nobody does anymore, but if they did know English grammar, the the grammar of the Greek makes sense in many ways. It doesn't in many other ways because it's an ancient language. Hebrew is a Semitic language and so it's
Different in every way. It has a different alphabet. Instead of going from left to right, it goes from right to left. It doesn't have the same ways of doing grammar. Uh, and so, uh, and there aren't as many texts in ancient Hebrew as there are in ancient Greek. For Greek, we have thousands and thousands of texts. I mean, going back to Homer and he see it and on up and it just goes forever. For for the Bible, for the for the Heb Hebrew, like biblical Hebrew, the Bible is the only
Hebrew Bible we the only sources from its time period that we have, right? And so, it's it's some ways it's harder to analyze Hebrew texts when it comes to things like just words. Like if there's a word that occurs one time in the Hebrew Bible, well, that's the only time the word occurs anywhere in that time period. And so, how do you know what it means? Right. Exactly. And so, there are places where you can't really even tell, you know, it's some kind of probably a four-legged animal of some kind, but you
Don't know what. And so, with Greek, it's not that way because I mean, there are Greek words that we aren't really quite sure what they mean, uh, even in the New Testament. Um, but most
There are Greek words that we don't know what they mean. What is he saying, right? because he's not a classicist and he doesn't read a lot of texts. He doesn't realize the superiority of ancient Greek is that the individual speaker or writer of ancient
Greek is able to create their own vocabulary.
We have so many individual words of individual speakers. Some people, some people are doing it more than others. Let me give you a great example that I haven't given you yet. Galen is creating physiology and anatomy. Imagine
That these are not sciences and you have to create the science. You can't do that without Greek. All right? You can't do that in Latin. The Latin physicians don't do this. The medic, no way.
Right? Galin is estimated to be 10%. I heard somebody estimated that 10% of all Greek literature is Galen. Okay. Um, if you've read half of Galen, you've read 5% of ancient Greek literature. And I am telling you, Galen, who is pushing this second
Sophistication of the coin a into its attic precursor, right? He's spearheading it as an intellectually spearheading it. He's not doing it on purpose. He didn't sit down and say, "Oh, I think I'll make this language what it used to be at its heights." No, he's not doing that. Some grimarans are, don't get me wrong. Galen is not. He is just creating a science. And the Greek, mother Greek, sexy mother Greek has given him the ability to do so to create new
Vocabulary that other docs can read and say boom and advance from there. Some doctors do this more than others. Galen does it rapidly and ferociously and almost like the dude is, oh god, did he get in a machine and come back in time or something, right? It was the Greek language that allowed that. And that's why you only have 7,000 words in ancient
Hebrew that survive. Okay. Okay. Now, wait a minute. I want you to think for a minute. One of Bart's comments coming up is, "Well, you know, you can't take." He knows who I am. He doesn't want to admit it, but he knows who I am, right? He who shall not be named, I guess, is what I'll have to be, right? He knows that. And he's already gone into this. And his argument is, well, it's the words, right? Is they only happen to capture 7,000 words. That would be fine if all that was left of Hebrew was a pamphlet or maybe you know
A very short story, right? But we supposedly if the Bible is Hebrew, that's thousands of pages, brother. If we only have 7,000 words in thousands of pages, we have a problem. And I know that's a fact because in history, in antiquity, Julius Aricanus pointed out
How crappy the vocabulary was in Hebrew. Do you understand? It's not my point. It's his point. What? Oh, people, let Chewy know if the mic's okay. By the way, I hope people can hear. Can people here if they're We're using a new look. We're using Maybe I'll just put it down here on my manly chest. How's that now? People, you let me know. You let me know, baby, if you can't hear me. You know what I mean? All right. That's inappropriate talk. Where's Timmy? Oh god. You can't, you
Know, in the falcon. I can't really do anything to Timmy. I think it's all right. It's the wrong month anyway. I gotta wait another month. All right, give it to me. Where's the Keep going. Let's keep going. Most of the time, the words every the words are used so many times in so many pieces of Greek literature that you can analyze how they're being used in the context and you can use the context in order to establish the basic meaning of the word and how it's used variously. And so
That's that's a luxury that you get with Greek and you also get that with Latin, right? But you don't get it so much with Hebrew or Coptic, which is another language that people might field study or Syriak. Um, but Greek and Latin, which is what the classes do, we're really we're really well set with those in comparison. Yeah, this is a bit been a highly contested topic on this on this podcast recently when it comes to exactly what you were just talking about with Greek being everywhere in antiquity
And there being no Hebrew Hebrew outside of like the Dead Sea Scrolls like all all the ancient texts were um all the ancient Hebrew texts were religious texts. However, Greek, you you have legal [\\h__\\h] you have uh medical stuff, you have all kinds of all kinds of stuff in Greek, poetry, comedy, everything. But then you have like the Dead Sea Scrolls come about and we just have the Dead Sea Scroll religious texts, right? And there's no other Hebrew you can find. There's no libraries with any Hebrew in them or or anything like that. So that's basically
True, but it's not completely true. Okay? There are inscriptions, for example, in Greek. So inscription would be, you know, things written out on stone that are not religious. Please stop. Oh god, that's basically true. That beautiful thing that Danny said, right? That was great. I I I love that. Right. Who wouldn't?
Perfect. Perfect. Logical. This is a reason discussion we're having, right? The answer is basically. That's the best basically. But we have some letters. Really? Do we really? Right. Somebody wrote to me the other day and said, "Oh, you got you don't know what you're talking about." First of all, Aadian blah blah blah and the library of Asher Bonnie Paul and blah blah ha. I have seen the library of Asher Bonnie Paul with its chicken scratch and I am not impressed by your lists. I am not impressed by that thing
You call Gilgamesh. That your best piece is a third grade rendition of a crapole Wizard of Oz. Are you kidding me? Jesus man. When did you forego your reason?
The reason that people don't see the real beauty of mother Greek is because they are blinded by the bogtrodding [\\h__\\h] Anglosaxon crapery that is stuffing their ears through sources of theology. Do you understand? We're talking about a craft here called classics. This is a skill. It is not a theology. It is not a an It is not a, you know, religion. It is a science. Oh, God. And if you don't appreciate Mother Greek, well, that's that's too bad. Go give it to him. Joey is going to open up the whole throw
Throw this whole God. Go for it. Give me Let him speak, please. In Hebrew. Yes. Okay. And some of the some of the um there have been other discoveries of texts that are in Hebrew from there aren't very many of them but like they'll find a cache of letters for example written in Hebrew and so there are some things but not for the Hebrew Bible period itself. The Dead Sea Scrolls are much later than the I mean the the Hebrew Bible period dates basically from it's it's debated when
The first texts were written 10th century maybe BCE up to maybe the 2nd century BCE but the Dead Sea Scrolls are more around the time of Jesus and so there it's a different period okay one okay one would think let me just make it clear so you don't get back alied here one would think that he just said we have Hebrew text from the 10th century We don't. We don't. They just look these morons just look at the Bible and they say, "Oh, Isaiah's got to be
Way back. So, this has to come from them." We have no text from them. There is no history. There is no literature. There is nothing in Hebrew any time anywhere. And the Greek that is around it doesn't reflect it at all. There's nothing there. It doesn't exist. We have tags from the 10th century. No, you don't. You have a henistic septuagent that was later copied into Hebrew, a very primitive, destroyed language that hadn't been spoken for years, centuries, excuse me, hadn't been spoken for centuries. Just like
Umbrean, this shady dude is walking by. Is this shady or is it shady? I don't know. Is it loud enough, people? I'm just trying to get you to say, is it loud enough? Oh god. Let's see what happens. That was sus right there. Give it uh give go ahead. Let him talk. Right. And um so the the scholarly
Consens I don't understand that I've heard so much from Bible scholars is they always say most scholars would agree. Why is consensus so important when it comes to this stuff? Why why doesn't for me I just don't maybe I don't understand this because I didn't come from a university or anything. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's not important as evidence. So that's the first thing to say and no no no really good scholar ever uses it as evidence. In other words, the fact that everybody says so doesn't make it so. Right. Right. So I
Guess the reason you reason people say that people see do people see the hypocrisy here. The fact that everybody says it's that way doesn't make it that way. That's not good academic argumentation. And he's right. So when everybody says, "Oh, Ammon's got to be wrong because everybody says he's wrong." What do you think that means? It means he cannot see his own hypocrisy. Dr. Urban, I'm showing you the mirror. I should love it. It's pocket, baby. You owe me. Go. And I say it as well is because if you
Have a counter opinion then it needs to be examined and you need to look at it but you need to realize that there's a reason that everybody thinks the other right and and these are you know when it comes to biblical scholarship for example you know biblical scholarship's been around for 300 years and lots and lots and lots of things get changed have been changed do get changed but if somebody says that uh virtually all scholars agree that the go that whoever wrote Matthew was using the gospel of Mark and you say like virtually
Everybody agrees with that. You say virtually because there will be some exceptions. But the reason the reason that you say that is because these are most of these people are ones who have actually looked at it seriously and thought about it really hard and seen all of the evidence and on the basis of all this evidence they say you know it's probably this. And so it's like you know it's like that in every field. Yeah. To me it just feels like a copout. Like it's like oh gorgeous Danny cop out. But it is a copout. Biblical scholarship has
Been around for 300 years. Bart Bart, how long has classical scholarship been around? Did you know there was classical scholarship before there was any other scholarship? Did you know the original scholarship was classical scholarship? Do you know we're going back to the museum? Classical scholarship isn't 300 years old, right? Classical scholarship goes back to the Henistic Greeks of the museum. Those grimarans who began to standardize Greek
It's a pop out if you're using it as an argument. Yes. Exactly. Correct. But nobody uses it. People People object when someone says that. They say, "Well, that's not an argument." But nobody's using it. They shouldn't be using it as an argument. if they are using it as now the hypocrisy here is that Bart is talking about nobody using it as an argument and the people that he works with to sell product to you. Those people use this argument all the time. It's all they use. It's all
They can use to come up with their little ideas like the words dance across his hat. Dunce. Look, he's got a dance cap on. He right? Do you see how it's not just simple ignorance, people? It is intentional obfuscation and misdirection
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There's an argument. That's stupid. Yes. I mean, you know, uh, so the, you know, the fact that everybody agrees the world is round doesn't mean it's round. Exactly. But, but, you know, if you don't think it's round, you really have a burden of proof. Yes. Correct. So, by saying it's a consensus, you just say, "Yeah, okay. if you think otherwise, let me see, you know, let me see your stuff. Mhm. Right. So, um, one of the folks I had on here recently believes that the Septuagent, it was originally written in Greek and that it was translated into
Hebrew. And the reason he said that is because, and I'll I'll try to elucidate this argument the best I possibly can, and you can basically deconstruct it and give me the what you think. Um, is that ancient Greek is a language that had over a million unique words. Ancient Hebrew is a language that had maybe 7,000 at best unique words. And he he he uh made the argument that you cannot translate from something less technical Hebrew to something way more technical ancient Greek. He says you translate down. You
Don't translate up. Right? So you don't you don't like if I was to the the analogy I think of that I try to uh explain when I talk about this is like you find a flying saucer in the desert and you want to like reverse engineer it and make your own flying saucer. When you try to reverse engineer that flying saucer, you're not going to make something better than that flying saucer. It's going to be something not as good, right? So, so that was his main
Argument with the translation of the Septuagent meaning like that's why he thought it was an original Greek and then it was translated into Hebrew after. But the argument of this is that the Greek that we read in the New Testament or the Old Testament is like coin a Greek. It's like a it's like a very unsophisticated Greek compared to like Homer and some of the ancient stuff. Yeah. Well, it's not a very good argument. I don't know who I don't know who this is, but I mean it's a it's a very bad argument. You frequently have
Translations go both ways. Translated up, translated down. It's just an empirical fact. Um, English is a much more complicated language than many works that are translated into English. And the Bible gets translated into many languages that are much more simple than Greek. So, it goes both ways and it always goes both ways. Moreover, how does he know there are 7,000 unique words in Hebrew? He's basing that on the fact that we've got these texts that have 7,000 unique words. Okay, these are the only texts we have. People spoke
Hebrew. We have no idea what their vocabulary was. For him to say that it had to be only these 7,000 words is a little bit crazy. That's like saying if you get a copy of Time magazine or something or what may it's not imprinted anymore, but you get Time magazine and you say this is the extent of the English vocabulary. Mhm. Like in 3,000 years, somebody finds somebody finds a Time magazine and they re and they categorize all the words. Say, "Okay, those are the only words in English and so it could not have been translated
Into a language that has more words because it doesn't work that way." You know, sure, but just going off evidence, right? We have evidence. What is evidence? Sorry. All right. Fantastic. Now, let me tell you what's actually going on. Julius Africanus is sitting around with origin and they're talking about what these texts are doing, right? And how that they're getting the Hebrew and Africanis is like, man, they don't even have basic words in Hebrew, right? How are they dialoguing? How are the Jewish sources and the Greek sources dialoguing in Greek? They don't dialogue in Hebrew
Because they don't have enough words. Who said that? This for this bad argument I've got. Who said that? That there are 7,000 words in ancient Hebrew. You know who said that? The head of Hebrew, the head of their Hebrew language program. I forget if he's at Tel Aviv Hebrew University, but he gave an interview to CNN and he said ancient Hebrew's only got about 7,000 words. It's only got about a 7,000word capacity, right? Just just like Umbrean or Oscan. It's no different, people. It's not special, right? Lang languages are like
This and they get swallowed up. Have you read any Oscan lately? Well, why not? It was a nice language. No, it wasn't. It was a primitive language that had [\\h__\\h] for vocab. Right now, you're dealing with this Greek language that can fabricate words.
Can create it's plastic. It allows its user to create vocabulary. Do you understand? Okay, that's the different with difference with the Greek and what he's telling you. Oh, they spoke Hebrew and why don't they have libraries and why don't we have any of this Hebrew that you're talking about, right? We do have thousands of pages of 7,000 words. And Julius Africanus
Said, "Dude, they don't know basic stuff, right?" He said, I asked them, "What's the word for this plant? You know, this tree, oak, what is it?" Um, they don't have it. They don't have basic words like that because the rabbis that were handling this at the time, the religious experts, right, they're
They've been speaking Greek for years. They don't speak Hebrew. They've been speaking Greek. Hebrew reached its capacity. Blindsided was blindsided. Just like Oscan and Umbrean, ask any classist, why don't we have any more Umbrean?
Right. And there one class is one where was one place we'll be like we got a little bit. Yeah. The history of the earth people is the history of language. Welcome to the party.
Bart, give me the next one. What's his evidence? I'm saying just going off evidence of word counts, unique word counts for those languages. Today we only have 7,000 unique words for ancient Greek. We have over a million. I mean, I'm sorry. We only have 7,000 for ancient Hebrew. We have a million for ancient Greek today. Those are estimates, right? Those are samples. Maybe they No, no, they're not estimates. He's basing this on account of what the Hebrew words we have. But when people translated the Hebrew into
The Greek, they didn't have just those 7,000 words. This was this was this was 2,000. Do you realize he's contradicting now our sources? We have a sources working the opposite direction of the picture that he's trying to paint you. Right. Right. They weren't walking around with Hebrew text. They were trying to come up with them by translating the Greek. This is all very, very simple.
Dick and Jane went up the hill to fetch a pale of water. Okay. Now, if I translate that into another language, I better have, you know, I'll have Dick and Jane will look foreign because they're names, right? But the verb ran and the hill, you know, if I put incarpment or if I put a the place of the cosmic focus of the hill god into that hill, you would think, "What the hell are you doing? Is your translator on drugs? Just use hill." You do not move in translation from a simple this is shady ass
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Time. Yeah. Anywh who, um, you know, it comes with the territory. Love it. Here we go. Are you ready? Give me a couple more minutes. I think years ago. Okay. But do you think that there do you do you think the scale was similar though? Do you think so? Right. It doesn't matter how similar it is because it's not always that you take something more complicated and make it more simple or that you take something more simple and make it more complicated. You can absolutely just
Show time after time after time where that is and how it happens. There are also very good reasons for thinking it did not go from Greek to Hebrew. Okay. What would be a good example of something that went from of a translation that went from a language that was less complicated to something far more complex?
Um that went from something less complicated to more complex. for example, Hebrew to Greek Coptic people. It's been due to the success of Lady Babylon um and the success of finally bringing this information to people. Close your door to letting people get it. I'm getting a um threats and a lot of you know people are concerned offering me safety and stuff and um I'm going to stop today and you know I don't uh um I'll continue another time. Have a nice Day. Take a look at what is going on with Iron Danny Jones and honor honor the muse. Hail
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